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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and dan is with

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me again for this one dan how are we i'm

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great thank you very much how are you i

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bet you are yes we uh we we met this

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past week

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we're dead we're dead people will have

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seen us online we've finally met face to

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face

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and in the passionate romantic city of

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london dan there was a slow motion run

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there was yeah just because i was

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carrying that bag it went down um and

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we've got to meet up with our friends

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and colleagues from up more friends

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aren't they although we work together

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now as we call it uh vinnie dave and

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graham as well from uap media had a

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great time got to meet ryan sprague on

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friday night for some drinks and then as

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you will have seen no doubt we got to

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meet up with luilazondo for lunch on

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this saturday nothing super top secret

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folks it genuinely wasn't the

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some of the stuff that people were

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coming out with that lube is over for

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some like private stuff

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again i don't think it was anything for

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folk to get excited about it was over

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with his good lady wife and he offered

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to give us a little bit of his time to

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come and say hello um we've obviously

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been speaking now for some time and it

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was nice to do that dan wasn't it yeah

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absolutely if anyone would like to know

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some secret information the only thing

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we have to share is lou is a whiskey guy

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yeah and that dan's going to create a

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shouldn't have said that one but yeah no

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thanks for everyone being very nice

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about it and people were like super nice

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about us getting to meet lou and really

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happy for us and uh one of the listeners

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on patreon had mentioned dan that we got

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to shake sinatra's hand so we had to

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record our breaking news pod about it

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but listen what we're kind of going to

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do going forward as we call a lot of the

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update pods breaking news because

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sometimes they are sometimes they aren't

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but we like to do the kind of weekly

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updates and stuff anyway

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these pods are going to be more of a

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breakdown going forward so it's more of

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a breakdown of of some kind of news and

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and this one is going to be on the cut

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dry mungo theories of everything talk

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with louis ondo from the the 22nd of

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october i think it was recorded

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that's what we're going to do on this

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one they'll star will be breaking news

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pods but if there is breaking news um i

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know one person was a little bit titchy

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about calling stuff breaking news when

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it had broken a couple of days earlier

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when we never got to record it straight

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away so this is definitely more of a

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breakdown of a lot of really cool stuff

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that was talked about on that interview

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and i suppose people might be a little

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bit more interested on our takes on this

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given we got to speak to lou on saturday

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has anything changed for us off the back

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of what lou had talked about with cut

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the first time probably not a whole lot

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maybe getting to speak to him face to

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face and hearing things being clarified

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a little or getting some context on

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i can rest assured no national security

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secrets were shared but it just gives

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brief reaffirmation of some things you

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maybe thought already but um first off

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at curt joy mungo wonderful interview

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with lou two and a half hours of an ama

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um dan what were your immediate thoughts

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i i really loved it um i'm i'm blessed

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enough to be able to call curse a friend

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and i think he does a really great job

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with his interviews he he dreads

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respectfully he he treads knowing that

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he knows little and i think we could all

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learn something from that um lulu always

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likes people who are gracious like that

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you you always like the terry votes

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interview and i think that was the same

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kind of thing um you know there's a

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curiosity and a thoughtfulness to the

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questions and that always brings about

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great answers i'm glad you said teddy

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verse because i have had so many

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listeners who have

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listened to the youtube shows when i

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mentioned that or listened to on the

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podcast and they messaged me asking what

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the name of that person is because of my

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pronunciation they're never quite sure

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it's always like is it terry burks or

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i'm not gonna even see the different

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ways they they think i say it but yeah

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it's terry verts uh and i've i've put

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the links up before on that one anyway

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but that was a really good one and uh

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again cut being well it was funny dan i

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think i was saying to you that you know

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or you had mentioned to me kurt isn't a

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ufo person but i think you yourself had

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said he's now done about 10 interviews

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where the subject is ufos so there kind

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of comes a point he's got to kind of

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classify himself as being at least a bit

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involved with the community would you

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there are different ways of classifying

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saying you're part of a community right

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um you know a lot of people like certain

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pan's music but they wouldn't say that

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they're fans of the band in general but

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i think it's that kind of thing um kurt

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is clearly interested in the subject

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he's clearly following on um

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based on your interview with him you

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is open-minded

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to a degree that you might not be uh i

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remember it surprised you that you

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entertained some things that

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so we're going to get right into it

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folks we got a ton of listener

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suggestions thoughts and opinion from

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this interview as well uh we'll kick off

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though with a few things that we want to

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talk about and then no doubt they'll

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i think one of the things dan that

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jumped out for me and i think we're

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going to have some different stuff of

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our own highlights because i know we

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both focus on different things when it

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comes to this topic normally anyway

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which is always good that's why it works

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now car asked lou

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about a comment that tom delong had made

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about people shouldn't be doing ce5

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because it's potentially dangerous

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lou gave an analogy well what he said

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was and i'll paraphrase this lew said

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that you know he's not entirely sure

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what tom's talking about i would take

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that with a pinch of salt but he he said

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that he would always

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give any word of caution when it comes

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to uh if you were a swimming pool

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attendant or you're an electrician you

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know you can get zapped with electricity

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then if you are exploring something as

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out there as ce5 or human initiated

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contact whatever you want to call it

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then you should be careful because do

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you truly know what we're dealing with

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when it comes to this um lou gave an

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analogy about being a an avid scuba

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diver and he

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enjoy enjoys going around a nice coral

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reef and imagine swimming around the

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coral reef carrying a bag of freshly

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spared fish sorry for any fish fans out

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there i like my fish analogies but

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there's luna carrying the bag of fish

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and he mentioned imagine giving they've

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been freshly spared oh god this is

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getting graphic now that they would be

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bleeding and this could attract sharks

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now not all those sharks are going to be

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dangerous to you but some of them might

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it's hard to know what you're going to

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so as low getting done at the fact there

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are potentially different forces you

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know it's nice you're attracting this

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little orb and this little orb might be

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flying about in the sky above you

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but you don't know what else you might

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when people mess about with ouija boards

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or ouija boards if people won't hear

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that in the accent like you don't

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necessarily know what you're dealing

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with completely and it's quite a

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dangerous thing i i kind of took that

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away from from those comments what about

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yeah i think that's a good point it's

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worth being

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safe um i i've mentioned before that in

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my experiences with you know i'll say

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ce5 because that's the brand name that

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everybody knows but it's you know human

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initiated context some people call it

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various other names but i've got a sense

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of kind of lanternfish i i think that

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clipping finding nemo where they're in

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the dark at the bottom of the ocean and

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they see this light and they go towards

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it and they're transfixed and then these

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horrible teeth emerge behind them and it

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turns out that it's on this

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fish and it's alert basically um and

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also when you were talking about your

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the the fish analogy and maybe think of

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steve owen bless him who went to a very

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very comfortable area for him

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and it was a species he was really

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really familiar with

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very comfortable

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just one in a million chance he was you

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know killed by a stingray no doubt that

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would have attracted lots of other

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predators and things like that as well

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when it happened um so even even in

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these situations we're familiar with

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there's a degree of risk and it doesn't

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mean that the stingray was evil or that

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it was good um or that the other

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stingrays bring gifts and love and light

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it just means that by their nature they

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will act in a certain way and there are

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hazards there that we have to consider

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what you're saying there was the the

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stingray was a threat but the intent

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wasn't necessarily to harm could just

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protect itself and in doing so

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it killed a guy who was very well versed

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at dealing with all sorts of animals and

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species and had i mean for a guy who

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literally wrestled crocodiles you know

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for a stingray of all things to do that

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then yeah and i think that's what lou

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was getting at for me

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i i've never practiced ce5 i've said

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that before dan i know you're a bit

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different but

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it's just saying to people to be careful

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when you are messing about with anything

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like that whether it's paranormal the

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occult you know you don't necessarily

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know what you're dealing with completely

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and that is this is just a personal

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thing dan you might feel totally

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different but there's a lot of people

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out there who claim

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ce5 or humanisated contact whatever you

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want to call it is this all wonderful

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all-encompassing

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really powerful experience and you're

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you're you're reaching out and

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connecting

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no one on this planet can tell us

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exactly what they're doing

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when it comes to ce5 and knows exactly

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what's happening or why it's happening

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so i think you've absolutely got to have

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that degree of cautiousness if someone

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does come out and say they know exactly

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what it is and how it happens and why i

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think there's a huge amount of ego

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involved in that personally and it

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absolutely should be

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proceed with caution

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yeah i think so too we we know there are

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and i'm going to say invisible forces in

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the world purely because that sounds woo

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but i'm talking about electromagnetic

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effects we use them to communicate like

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wi-fi like radio waves everything like

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that and they do at certain frequencies

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have effects on us we know that people

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have gotten close to ufos we know

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they've had negative effects so all of

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these feelings of like euphoria and when

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you see a light in the sky feeling you

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know

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love that could simply be and i'm not

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saying it is but it could simply be

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something

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you know a natural ability to disarm

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something's prey

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absolutely but yeah that was a really

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interesting one ban that jumped out for

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me um i'd like to know people's thoughts

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on it after the pod anyway if you leave

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notes on patreon or twitter or email

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that would be fantastic

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dan anything before i go into my next

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one that jumped out for you

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uh yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna throw the

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dna thing up that was my biggest thing

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um

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so

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lou kind of turned the interview around

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and asked her to question and insisted

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on kurt answering because kurt said that

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he needed time to think and it was about

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sending a message into the future and

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how would you do it and it could propose

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the answer of taking one of these meth

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materials as super hard material maybe

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popping it up in orbit um and hoping

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that it lasts the test of time and and

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lou said yep you know that's great um

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but you know it could be hit of orbit

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the orbit will degrade it would go away

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you know it made me think of

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what we propose or sorry what some of us

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think the pyramids may be in terms of

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kind of sending these messages through

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time and we we do actually do similar

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things on the hoover dam there's a star

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map a friend of mine went there and they

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said oh are all these dots on the floor

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and i was able to tell them that's a

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star map you know if they find that in 5

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000 years and the rest of us are gone

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that'll date when it was built and

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that'll you know it'll probably be a

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conspiracy theory in that time as well

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um

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but what lou was actually getting at was

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maybe something used our dna to send a

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message and that would be a way of kind

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of ensuring that it can adapt to

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changing conditions as the as the years

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go on which i thought was absolutely

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fascinating it plays into a lot of

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well i'm ancient aliens i guess but i i

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know it's a lot more subtle than that

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you know we're not gonna propose that

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all these things are as dramatic as

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eric von danican kind of writes but

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there seems to be some nugget of truth

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kind of mixed in uh with all this stuff

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well our friend dave smithers um that

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was his main question and point then and

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he mentioned that uh mainstream

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non-fringe scientists can't explain a

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lot of the apparent splicing of dna code

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and do you think louie was saying our

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dna has been modified was this the

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message on its own the actual

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modification or do you think there might

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be more information heading away within

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our dna this is purely speculation and

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opinion then but what would you think

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yeah i mean there seems to be some

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anomalous stops in our markers that

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kind of look like crisper cuts if people

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are familiar with that technology that

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they used to do gene splicing in the

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world today they can kind of chop and

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change little bits of it um and we don't

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really know why they're there but we

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also don't have any information as to

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why they are there so we can't say

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either way it could be a natural process

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that we don't know about um but nature

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has you know rna dna a lot of us have

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spent the last few years learning about

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all this stuff because it came in

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relevant with the kovid vaccines um so

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we're starting to see the different ways

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that nature makes life

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and i mean maybe maybe even

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that process in itself was something

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that was

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uh i i guess

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bolstered by something

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interfered with potentially something

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encouraged

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influenced yeah something like that i'm

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getting it yeah yeah absolutely like you

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know in order you see in a movie when

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all the teens have like a punch a prom

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and another i kind of naughty kid walks

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up with the gin and opens the little

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bottle and just pours it into the

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non-alcoholic punch to spice up a little

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bit i wonder if something like that kind

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of went along ah these guys need a

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little bit of a propping upper or

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something so it's definitely an

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interesting one um

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i look forward to that that is something

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where we really do need the backing and

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we need mainstream science involved to

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really kick that forward i know we've

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got people like gary nolan and others

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who who are really serious scientists

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and we spoke to dr colin kelleher and

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others who are involved on these

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different subjects and projects but you

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need mainstream science on mass to be

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involved to really move things like that

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forward f for me it doesn't work with

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just a couple of people working on it

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because that's not how the message gets

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out there

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yeah absolutely um as part of that as

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well kurt did say that he asked lou are

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the places that we should be looking for

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evidence that you feel when not

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um like archaeological investigation

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sites and lou spoke about uh near-earth

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celestial bodies like the moon which i'm

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sure uh you know send some people

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of the wall

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why do you think lewis mentioned in the

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moon

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i just think it's a i mean it's a very

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interesting place

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you know they they

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threw something into it and it rang like

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a bell for god knows how long which

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suggests that there's a lot of space

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inside and

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we keep finding these little things that

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are very curious about it um

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it's a pretty kind of safe place it's

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locked into a

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particular side facing us at all times

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so you know you you could put something

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on that side and it might be protected

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from medias and stuff like that

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do you think it's a natural satellite or

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do you think then that it's artificially

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do you think it's been put there by

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something else or someone else

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well

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i i don't think we need to be as

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the the the the idea that i've read

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about it is that it's the remnants of a

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planet that hit us

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if there were a species on that planet

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and they were kind of left over then it

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kind of fits in both categories i think

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you know it's not necessarily an

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intentional artificial satellite but it

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is an artifact you you see what i'm

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getting at um but there are there are

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some interesting anomalies inside our

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earth that suggest some some big caverns

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um or big chunks of material that

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shouldn't be there and it seems to be

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the the core of that planet

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yeah

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we definitely have to do a moon episode

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at some point yeah there's something

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there definitely on that um anyone who

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has any suggestions for guests for an

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episode based on the moon then uh not

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what the episode won't be based on the

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actual moon itself that would be very

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difficult to arrange it was hard enough

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exciting then yeah it was hard enough to

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get us both to london for a couple of

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days

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unless elon musk or anyone is listening

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they can arrange that but no it'll be a

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kind of moon based episode that would be

519
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pretty cool

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dan the next one i'm going to bring up

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uh is probably quite a controversial one

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i've seen a lot of

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conversation off the back of it as the

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idea that there should be an amnesty

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for for those who have been involved in

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any

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uap secrecy shall we use our friend

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adam's wording from back in the day so

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there's ends you ap secrecy you'll see

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the hashtag online and a lot of people

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want you talk about hearings and

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bringing people to to justice and all

533
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that kind of stuff as well but i think

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for this to potentially move forward

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we're going to have to grant people that

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amnesty who have been involved in this

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in the past and like i've said to you

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recently dan as well it's the people who

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who kick started this at the beginning

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aren't around anymore from the 40s 50s

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60s they're largely they've passed on or

542
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they're extremely old now and those who

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have came on afterwards i've said this

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again rightly or wrongly just carried on

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that work

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again i'm not saying that was the right

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thing to do but at this minute we don't

548
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know whether it was right or not

549
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depending on what kind of comes of all

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of this so for me i would be all on

551
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board with granting an amnesty no

552
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,640
charges brought forward if it was going

553
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,799
to help with the release of information

554
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,799
um i know lou was all for that as well

555
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,720
he seemed it seemed a sensible and

556
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,480
appropriate thing to do what about

557
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,480
yourself

558
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,880
yeah i i think an important set well

559
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,640
hold on let me back up a bit i i thought

560
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,200
the polyp and we we had so many

561
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,960
different responses you know some people

562
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,120
hated the idea they would feel really

563
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,120
betrayed by it um because they've had

564
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,799
some experiences in their lives which is

565
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,160
giving them trauma and they've been

566
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,640
treated terribly and you know i hear

567
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,120
them i totally get it um

568
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,679
i i'm not sure blanket amnesty is the

569
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:05,840
way to go i think it should be judged on

570
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,720
a case-by-case basis for example

571
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:11,120
let's think about blue himself

572
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,320
um

573
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,480
is is he someone that we would say was

574
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:16,880
involved in the cover-up for a time i i

575
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:23,270
um but he's come forward now and he's

576
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,559
doing the right thing and he's not just

577
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,240
doing the right thing he's out there

578
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,240
doing the work to try and sow the seeds

579
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,000
for the people of tomorrow to crack this

580
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:31,679
and to embrace everything that comes

581
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,720
from it so for me you know i i would

582
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,440
absolutely give blue amnesty but i also

583
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,960
don't think that

584
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,799
we'd even need to consider amnesty for

585
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,200
lou because he's not in that super super

586
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,799
black program that we talk about that

587
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,320
you know would have been going back 50

588
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,440
60 years now um the idea of atip was

589
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,240
always to get it out and to

590
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:53,840
spread the word about the issue and get

591
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:57,039
policy written about it um

592
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,919
but

593
00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:00,000
the secret keepers

594
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,840
and i use that term to kind of refer to

595
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,919
the the old you know whether it's in

596
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:06,720
private industry or whatever the 40s 50s

597
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,990
a lot of those would have invested in

598
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,679
systems that

599
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:15,600
were set up before they were around and

600
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,240
those systems are abused so we kind of

601
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,400
need to them to show us hey that's the

602
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,159
system that was abused that allowed us

603
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,919
to get away with this so i think if

604
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,679
people start coming forward and they

605
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,280
have enough information to help us make

606
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,120
sure it never happens again i think

607
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,039
there's a conversation to have amnesty

608
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,960
for them i think if people are dragged

609
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,480
kicking and screaming into congress to

610
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,960
testify and they give them a hard time

611
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,280
i'd say that they face the full weight

612
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,440
of the law

613
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,000
again i still think there's a huge issue

614
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,000
with this and some will like this

615
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:51,830
there may be good reason as to why some

616
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:54,640
of this has been kept

617
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,799
from the wider public and that's that's

618
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,200
not to say i wouldn't want to know still

619
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,280
but

620
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,760
if you take lou at his word and what lou

621
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,320
has said um

622
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,799
they don't know exactly what's going on

623
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,320
they still don't know what what these

624
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,640
things might be where they might be from

625
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,559
you know

626
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:15,840
then

627
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,799
there's there's an element of if lou and

628
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:21,360
chris melanin co found that out

629
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,880
you can't say that there's not the

630
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,960
potential that even they would go

631
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,720
yeah actually that that's a good reason

632
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,400
to have kept that secret

633
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,159
so there's always that potential that

634
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,600
there's there's been a good reason that

635
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,600
it has been hidden from the public and

636
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,679
i'm not talking about oh it's for the

637
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,200
military and the technology and for

638
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,960
fighting wars no doubt that would

639
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,960
absolutely be a good a reason for the

640
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,640
military to do that and that's not a

641
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,640
good reason but there may be some kind

642
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,320
of public safety

643
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,240
you know again if there was let's let's

644
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,320
go crazy scenario but some independence

645
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,799
day type thing on the horizon or you

646
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,480
know something like that

647
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:56,159
that it would be best for people not to

648
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,520
know

649
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,720
i'm just throwing that out there as a

650
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,440
potential that well we we don't know

651
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:03,679
that it's a possibility

652
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,720
yeah lou uh i think he did it in this

653
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,400
interview but he's definitely done it in

654
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,360
in one in the past couple of weeks uh he

655
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,360
speaks about gorillas in a cage getting

656
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,280
a key and and working their way out of

657
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,919
the cage and it always makes me think

658
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,080
about well when that gorilla eventually

659
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,760
gets out of that cage there's going to

660
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,039
be a bunch of people on the other side

661
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,520
who can use tranquilizers who can give

662
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,960
the gorilla you know all the grapes and

663
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,799
food that it wants or they can just

664
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,720
shoot it and it all depends on how the

665
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,080
gorilla is acting when it gets out of

666
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,799
that cage and when he gave that example

667
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,559
i just thought you know what

668
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,799
when when we found these secrets we were

669
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,640
just kind of finishing up world wars and

670
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,480
going into the cold war

671
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,640
if something was ready to judge us at

672
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,240
that moment it wouldn't have judged

673
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,720
kindly and i could see why someone would

674
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,279
think oh hold on maybe if i kind of give

675
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,240
it 60 70 years and i hold this back and

676
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,919
then let it trickle out maybe we'll be a

677
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,200
bit more of a

678
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,279
a planetary body then instead of all

679
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,440
thinking so locally

680
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,279
yeah and and what what people are you

681
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,039
talking about giving us that time are

682
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,880
you talking about like from a human

683
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,200
aspect or something else watching

684
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,640
a bit of both

685
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,080
because i'm just thinking again from the

686
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,559
idea of something else watching if as

687
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,720
has been alluded to in the past that

688
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,480
these things may experience time

689
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,919
differently to us then that might not

690
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,080
even be something they have to consider

691
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,760
because it could literally be hundreds

692
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,840
of years or thousands of years yeah that

693
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,120
it wouldn't actually matter that they're

694
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,640
just waiting for

695
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,039
you know okay atom bomb nuclear bomb

696
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,440
those tests we all go back to the 40s

697
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,760
um the late 40s when we knocked on the

698
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,320
door of something else potentially and

699
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,080
maybe 70 years is literally still back

700
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:43,039
at the start of them waiting judging

701
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:44,320
testing

702
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,200
but

703
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,120
that's that's to be decided like you say

704
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,360
if something was looking at us now

705
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,760
with a human eye like we have

706
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,159
we're not in the greatest shape or state

707
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,080
to be introduced to the galactic

708
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,240
federation of whatever it might be as

709
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,760
others have come out in the recent past

710
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,279
and and declared we're going to be

711
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,840
invited to exactly but then you look at

712
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,360
things like you know we're mapping

713
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,440
genomes we're starting to realize what

714
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,720
whale song means and how they

715
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,400
communicate and how our culture's built

716
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,440
and we're doing the same things with

717
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,679
species and systems and understanding

718
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,360
how the amazon affects you know things

719
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,200
on the other side of the planet

720
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,279
i i think that would be an arc that

721
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,440
would be looked at as encouraging

722
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,440
so you know it gives me hope if that is

723
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,440
the case the pros and the cons are

724
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,279
balancing out i like that

725
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,480
let's get through some of the listeners

726
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,480
suggestions then um and i'm sure some

727
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:32,480
more will come up as we go through the

728
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,000
first one uh from mj mj thought that lou

729
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:37,919
saying we are perhaps somewhere in the

730
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:40,960
middle of the food chain was pretty epic

731
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,799
and anna also on that same note said

732
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,240
that she would love to hear us talk

733
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,240
about lou alluding to the fact humans

734
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,400
got a genetic bump that propelled us to

735
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,120
be apex predators but not to the top of

736
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,880
the food chain as later clarified

737
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,720
yeah i mean we already discussed that

738
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,960
second bit a little bit but i i find the

739
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,679
idea that the evolutionary process you

740
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,840
know if if we figure out that there's an

741
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,400
algorithm that evolution works through

742
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,760
there could be a little way to nudge

743
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,440
that in a certain direction i i think

744
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:14,000
that's super super interesting and you

745
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,279
know we're getting to the point where

746
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,440
that we we can do that because we have

747
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,039
that kind of precision now whether we're

748
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,960
talking you know building atomic

749
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,679
structures or layering materials and

750
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,600
you know just on the horizon we have

751
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,760
zero g labs and manufacturing labs when

752
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,679
we start getting to space and there's

753
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,799
going to be some really interesting

754
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,559
effects there

755
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,480
simon again on that mentioned one of

756
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,240
those breadcrumbs seemed to be the idea

757
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,720
that we as a species may have had some

758
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,120
help in our evolution around 70 000

759
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,880
years ago what did you make of those

760
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:44,000
comments

761
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,200
for me

762
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,279
i mean you'll know this probably i'm

763
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,559
going to assume dan you're the more

764
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:50,880
intelligent one of the two

765
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:54,000
where were we in our evolution 70 000

766
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:55,039
years ago

767
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,430
i mean

768
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,919
this is the debate because

769
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,679
we're discovering things now that are

770
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,200
changing the archaeological

771
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:09,840
archaeological story of of

772
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,760
humanity um we went from thinking that

773
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,279
you know we were walking around as

774
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,200
bipeds in communities and things like

775
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,799
that

776
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,240
five thousand years ago maybe ten

777
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,679
thousand years ago now that's moving to

778
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,440
a hundred thousand two hundred thousand

779
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,200
so it's actually looking like we we were

780
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,320
civilized a lot further back so

781
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:31,520
that that figure that was hung out there

782
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,120
by lou was an interesting one um

783
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,720
because it lines up with some some

784
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:39,120
natural disasters and it makes me wonder

785
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,320
if something

786
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,360
helped us get back on our feet

787
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,279
you think we got a bit of a knock like

788
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,360
like an ice age type event and it was a

789
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,799
case of they've

790
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,559
had a bit of a setback let's help them

791
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,559
on their way again perhaps and when we

792
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,679
look into history as well we see um a

793
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,840
lot of stories of you know star people

794
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,320
and so on so forth so it could just

795
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,840
simply be that somewhere in our past

796
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,320
there's this incredible sci-fi story

797
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,240
waiting to be uncovered we were already

798
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,320
talking with all these different species

799
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,480
and some of them helped us

800
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,159
maybe we have extra lives like a video

801
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,080
game we've talked about that some

802
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,240
simulation idea potentially before and

803
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,799
that whole matrix thing or um

804
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,720
and maybe you get those extra lives but

805
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:23,440
how many do you get uh michael on the

806
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,399
same we have michael mike mike and mikey

807
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,960
i think all got in touch um on this

808
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,559
again so i've got that thing where she's

809
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,080
the same person just trying to be

810
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,600
inconspicuous

811
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,679
you know what it's definitely not unless

812
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,440
i've signed up to patreon three times so

813
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,880
much thank you

814
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,480
all of you um

815
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,559
michael said i'm actually at the bronx

816
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,360
zoo as i write this so lew's comment

817
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,600
about zookeeper versus zoo inhabitant

818
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,240
seems particularly relevant do you think

819
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,399
there are particular facts that

820
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,720
led lou to draw this conclusion that we

821
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,080
are in the zoo obviously you've used

822
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,080
that gorilla analogy or do you think

823
00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:59,840
he's spit balling based on the deep

824
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,590
i i think i mean i interpret it very

825
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,840
loosely i i don't think that something's

826
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,840
put these ethereal bars around planet

827
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,919
earth that you know our consciousness

828
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,279
can't escape either that's a whole

829
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,240
different conversation um a whole four

830
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,279
hour episode probably but in terms of

831
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,720
we're in the middle of the food chain

832
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,960
and something's messing with us you you

833
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,440
can make an argument that they're

834
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,919
keeping us captive in a certain way you

835
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,760
know they're keeping us in a certain

836
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,960
condition

837
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:32,880
um

838
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,399
they're encouraging us to go in certain

839
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,799
developmental directions which again

840
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,640
could be a kind of prison i i wonder

841
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,640
where humanity would go if we didn't

842
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,320
have those little nudges that inspired

843
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,159
people like jack parsons to make a

844
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,240
rocket engine in the desert and create

845
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,159
nasa out of it you know

846
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,320
it's a little bit of that sim city idea

847
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,760
that i suppose sometimes we think

848
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,399
simulation maybe too literally as in we

849
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,799
are in some kind of computer simulation

850
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,799
as opposed to has someone set something

851
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,279
up to see how it goes maybe expect maybe

852
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,120
more of an experiment again you've got

853
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,360
to use the term loosely and not

854
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,039
too much how we would normally term an

855
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,200
experiment i suppose it's a good example

856
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,559
of how

857
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,840
our language

858
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,279
you know our culture is influencing our

859
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,640
language there we're saying simulation

860
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,399
because we live in the age of computers

861
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,640
you know like 100 years ago we would

862
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,559
have been talking about dreams

863
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,080
it would have been just an entirely

864
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,919
different thing yeah and that was a

865
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,679
really good point lou mentioned on this

866
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,320
interview about the i mean the vatican

867
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,240
and the roman shields

868
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,440
and how that's described at the time

869
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,440
seeing these flying roman shields in the

870
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,520
sky and it's the language of the time

871
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,440
and i'll use uh graeme rendell's you

872
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,799
know lexicon

873
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,200
it was the lexicon at the time that how

874
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,720
you would describe something that

875
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,360
age-old adage for i think it was on qi

876
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,760
but there was no word for for blue back

877
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,240
in the day so how would you describe it

878
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,559
same with there was no word for tic-tac

879
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,320
so you would describe it as a cigar

880
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,640
before cigar how would you describe it

881
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,640
same with desks and saucers it was a

882
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,320
shield because it looked like the shield

883
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,240
that you had and it's the language of

884
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,760
the time that can describe a lot of

885
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:10,000
these objects and i think i wonder if we

886
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:11,919
look back through the the gears and if

887
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,559
this is something the ai can potentially

888
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,039
help with is it just the language of the

889
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,720
time that's given us so many different

890
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,640
description of these objects

891
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,640
but maybe there's far less variation

892
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:24,000
than we actually

893
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:25,120
realize

894
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,399
because it's just how they've been

895
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,720
described at various different times

896
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,640
yeah absolutely and i think this is what

897
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,159
tom delong is getting at when he says we

898
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,559
should use ai to analyze ancient texts

899
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,000
you know there's stuff in there that's

900
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,559
super interesting um i know some of

901
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,960
those books are encoded with numbers and

902
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,240
that can kind of come off a little

903
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,039
conspiracy theorist but it's really not

904
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,480
there there are some religious books

905
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,559
that are very upfront that there are

906
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,000
kind of meanings hidden in the numbers

907
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,600
and the way the sentences are structured

908
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,399
and and there's real gracing them when

909
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,240
you start you know reading about them

910
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,679
and learning

911
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,159
dan just before we move on i'm going to

912
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,919
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okay dan we're back and our friend tim

966
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,440
has got in touch with a few um of his

967
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,640
own thoughts

968
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,440
so

969
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,279
again based on the occupants comment

970
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,640
this was one that i think really got

971
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,480
people talking i saw this on the reddit

972
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,880
forums on twitter and on the youtube

973
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,560
comments as well

974
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,040
now number one tim says the occupant's

975
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,280
comment isn't definitive lou mentioned

976
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,200
compelling evidence but said the details

977
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,599
around the facts are very murky

978
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,760
what did you take away from from louis

979
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,760
starting to talk about occupants and i

980
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,280
thought kurt was

981
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,359
very well placed given his use of

982
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,520
language to clarify the question and

983
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,520
that's something like i've said before i

984
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,079
when i watch cut now for for interview

985
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,760
practice and techniques of my own the

986
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,679
way he can work the question again and

987
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,560
again

988
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,919
and his use of language was really

989
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,520
really good here i thought

990
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,639
yeah especially i i think that's

991
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,879
you know takes a moment to think and i

992
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,240
think that's exactly what he's doing

993
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,159
what what you and i will take you know

994
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,440
many weeks to do when we're doing an

995
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,040
interview we rephrase kind of questions

996
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,879
and think best ways to ask them that's

997
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,320
him doing it live

998
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,159
um the the occupants thing was

999
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,240
interesting because

1000
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,760
obviously on top of all this we kind of

1001
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,160
have the idea that these bubbles are

1002
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,599
warping what we're seeing in the first

1003
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,520
place so we can't necessarily rely on

1004
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,640
what we're seeing there could be a

1005
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,040
little paranoia there uh

1006
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,320
you know where we're kind of seeing

1007
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,400
something that you know a face on mars

1008
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,920
or something like that which might be a

1009
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,920
face i i don't know i haven't been but

1010
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,000
i'm just kind of using it as an example

1011
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,400
i haven't been no i haven't been next

1012
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,320
week okay next next saturday i think

1013
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:24,000
i've got to organize for we'll see what

1014
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,440
happens

1015
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,150
but it it made me wonder if lou was

1016
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,200
talking about the turkey video that we

1017
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,240
spoke about not too long ago um where a

1018
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,599
craft or

1019
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,880
sorry

1020
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,640
where something was filmed off the coast

1021
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,720
that looked like it could be a craft and

1022
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,040
it was there for a few nights and and

1023
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,040
if you look at some very video analysis

1024
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,400
it kind of looks like there are some

1025
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,280
occupants in the craft moving around

1026
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,800
and this was something michael had one

1027
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,800
of the michaels had also asked do you

1028
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,960
think lou was talking about the pictures

1029
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,720
show occupants it was the turkey ufo

1030
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,720
that we talked about on the kg ratio a

1031
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,720
few weeks ago um

1032
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,040
we don't know lou never really qualified

1033
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,880
much more of the statement i think that

1034
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,119
is one of those things that must get

1035
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,000
pretty close to that nda line that we

1036
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,119
all hate uh so much but

1037
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,800
yeah you've got to appreciate he's not

1038
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,359
going to go much more than that but

1039
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,520
given his answer i don't think you have

1040
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,440
to read into too much that it sounds

1041
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,400
pretty certain that they have some kind

1042
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,119
of photographic or or video evidence

1043
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,520
with a decent zoom on it

1044
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,720
that has shown some kind of occupant

1045
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,400
yeah i mean

1046
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:38,560
if there are windows on these things at

1047
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,440
all

1048
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,960
then

1049
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,720
we we know the equipment is now good

1050
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,960
enough that they can get hd zoomed in

1051
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,200
videos of these things so it wouldn't

1052
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,359
surprise me at all if lou is privy to

1053
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,280
things that we aren't

1054
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,520
and this is one of the reasons that i

1055
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,520
say something like the tic tac had

1056
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:57,920
nothing inside of it because it had no

1057
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,960
windows that were reported by anyone so

1058
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,640
why would it have if there was nothing

1059
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,440
inside of it it wouldn't need windows

1060
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,280
yeah as opposed to one of these objects

1061
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,440
having some kind of window but then

1062
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,359
again you you can use kind of sensor

1063
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,119
systems to see outside the craft but

1064
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:15,040
again that's that would be part of a

1065
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,560
conversation in one of those dudes where

1066
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,920
you're discussing okay how could they

1067
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,119
see out the craft if it doesn't have

1068
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,440
windows you know we we'd those little

1069
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,880
nubs on the bottom of the tic-tac could

1070
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,560
have been to see outside it for all we

1071
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,480
know do you know what it's such a stupid

1072
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:28,000
thing for me to say really because given

1073
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,440
the technology we're talking about i'm

1074
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,480
sure like

1075
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,200
the lack of a window um would be the the

1076
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,640
least thing that you'd have to be like

1077
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,800
questioning about how it worked

1078
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,160
we've got we've got two-way mirrors

1079
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,280
don't we on our own end so i'm sure

1080
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,960
we definitely can't make spaceships out

1081
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,400
of two-way mirrors so

1082
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,079
it's super advanced still even if we

1083
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,680
kind of get there you know

1084
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,599
yeah that i think that must be my first

1085
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,040
question then if one of these things

1086
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,640
ever lands like a tic-tac and someone

1087
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,280
came out of it why are there no windows

1088
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,440
like you've got one question andy for

1089
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,920
all humanity why no windows do you guys

1090
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,160
have starbucks yeah oh that would be the

1091
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,359
second yeah

1092
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,599
why no windows what's a window ah ruined

1093
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,760
it um so yeah really good question from

1094
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,520
tim and you've got to say well the

1095
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,760
comment from lou wasn't definitive

1096
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,760
that the easy option there would just be

1097
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,640
to answer no not that i'm aware of so

1098
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,160
and that's not to say they have seen

1099
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,839
something but it must be something that

1100
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,760
they would they're pretty certain looks

1101
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,760
like an occupant um

1102
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,920
second point from tim was lew's further

1103
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,160
description and expansion regarding his

1104
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,800
somber or sobering comment continues to

1105
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,040
implicate that humans are not the apex

1106
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,040
here on earth the most interesting

1107
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,880
portion of this dialogue was when we put

1108
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,640
when we he posted

1109
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,480
uh posited sorry

1110
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,720
um if we as a society might need to

1111
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,520
consider rewriting history what on earth

1112
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,960
could that mean so this is something we

1113
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,200
never mentioned before on this same line

1114
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,720
of conversation

1115
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,320
for me then i'll give you a moment to

1116
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:53,599
collect your thoughts rather than me

1117
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,720
asking you first like when lulu talks

1118
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,880
about we have to rewrite history

1119
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,480
i think there just comes a point like

1120
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,000
you see if these

1121
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,480
objects entities beings others whatever

1122
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:06,320
they might be or whatever they may be

1123
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,119
from

1124
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,200
have been involved with us throughout

1125
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:11,440
the thousands of millennia

1126
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,320
then

1127
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:14,079
there will have been probably various

1128
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,280
different points in our history that

1129
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,520
they got involved

1130
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,520
and i don't i don't even know if i want

1131
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,800
to say this because this might go like

1132
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,760
two

1133
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,240
out there conversation wise but

1134
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,520
like do you get to the point where

1135
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:29,200
uh how do i bring dinosaurs into this

1136
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,000
then

1137
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:31,440
so i don't want to get proper

1138
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,280
flintstones jetsons crossover here but

1139
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,800
do you know what i mean like how far do

1140
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,720
you start going back that history isn't

1141
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,400
exactly right and

1142
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:42,000
yeah

1143
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:43,280
that that's what lou's kind of getting

1144
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,320
at here that

1145
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,640
where are we always cavemen and

1146
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,000
he's not saying science is wrong of

1147
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,480
course but it it really does throw up a

1148
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,320
lot if these things have interfered once

1149
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,079
they would have probably done it before

1150
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,079
and are we the first species that they

1151
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,000
did interfere with did they try with any

1152
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,160
other species and it just never worked

1153
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,400
out or is it a case of

1154
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,000
different species get their turn you

1155
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,079
know dinosaurs had their shot then we

1156
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,240
came along and we've got our shot just

1157
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,160
now yeah i mean before dinosaur the

1158
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,720
oldest organism on earth is a fungi and

1159
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,480
those things were as big as the empire

1160
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,319
state building probably bigger back then

1161
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,839
you know

1162
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,960
that's why the mush that's why the

1163
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,960
mushroom went to the party

1164
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,119
he was a fungi

1165
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,720
so yeah no it was a really interesting

1166
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,640
comment the the rewriting history stuff

1167
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,359
i've

1168
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,040
just looked up as well because i think

1169
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,520
this is a really good example of

1170
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,680
something being messed with on a

1171
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,160
evolutionary level that we don't really

1172
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,000
think about in that way yet we're doing

1173
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,200
it and have done it um the mustard plant

1174
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,480
i i don't know if you know how many

1175
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,200
things come from the mustard plant but

1176
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,640
it was basically artificially selected

1177
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,960
to grow in certain ways when it mutated

1178
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:52,960
and we only replanted those certain

1179
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,920
things and from that we have uh kaharabi

1180
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,720
cauliflower kale turnips cabbage and

1181
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:00,319
broccoli all those things are from a

1182
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,839
mustard plant and we did that so

1183
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:06,160
there's a really good subtle example of

1184
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,960
how

1185
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,560
you know without even genetic

1186
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,319
engineering we were able to influence

1187
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,160
the development of another species into

1188
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,640
six other species that we just use for

1189
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,680
food

1190
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,599
yeah it's a really really good point and

1191
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,960
like you say it's

1192
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,560
we look at everything through very human

1193
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,640
eyes with this whole subject even the

1194
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,119
subject of ufos and what these things

1195
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,560
might be doing why they might be doing

1196
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,880
it but it's a really

1197
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,119
it's a fair idea that they're just

1198
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,040
we're just plants we're just fish it's

1199
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,560
just you were just another species that

1200
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,560
we've been genetically modified like you

1201
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,720
say we do it with so many things of our

1202
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:39,760
own

1203
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,240
advantage though aren't they so again is

1204
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,680
that that somber sobering idea that our

1205
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:50,240
genetics have been modified for someone

1206
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,000
else's advantage yeah i mean you know i

1207
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,920
i've said before that my my school was a

1208
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,359
catholic school and i was told that we

1209
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,440
started in a garden for some reason we

1210
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,640
assumed that we weren't part of the

1211
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,480
foliage you know

1212
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,640
yes that's a really good point but

1213
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,040
before we get too deep uh we'll move on

1214
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,960
to l l thanks for getting in touch i

1215
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,400
think this is the first time elle might

1216
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,560
have left us a message uh she says i'm

1217
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,480
sure you'll cover this anyway but um

1218
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,480
lose follow-up to the somber sober

1219
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,079
comment where he talks about what if

1220
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,599
everything we've been taught by teachers

1221
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,920
parents etc um about who we are isn't

1222
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,280
entirely accurate i just wanted to

1223
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,960
mention that so thank you we've kind of

1224
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,480
covered that there did you have anything

1225
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,640
more to add on that one then yeah i mean

1226
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,640
just to give people a few things to go

1227
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,880
look at um down that road because that's

1228
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,720
kind of how i found my way into back

1229
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,800
into this um you know when i was kid i

1230
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,319
was into ufos and all the things that go

1231
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,480
bump in the night um weird things happen

1232
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,880
so i stopped getting as into it and then

1233
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,640
i found ancient civilizations and kind

1234
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,400
of came back through it through that

1235
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,720
and and when i say instant civilizations

1236
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,880
i'm talking about books that might not

1237
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,880
be in circulation due to certain

1238
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,040
organizations putting them in a giant

1239
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,359
library and hiding them away so i'd

1240
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,520
recommend people just go out to go

1241
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,400
search out the the book of thomas

1242
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:04,720
and anything about the essenes or the

1243
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,400
gnostics or the alusinian mysteries

1244
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,400
sounds like a mouthful but it's really

1245
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,000
challenging and interesting stuff

1246
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,680
because it's the kind of stuff that the

1247
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,119
the church ignored

1248
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,280
to grow their story

1249
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:19,040
no cheers thanks for the recommendations

1250
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,319
and people do appreciate those i'm

1251
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,400
getting more messages off folks

1252
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,839
week by week telling us that they've

1253
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,280
picked up something that one of us has

1254
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,880
recommended or talked about so that's

1255
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:28,880
nice um you're usually better going with

1256
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,599
dan's recommendations on my own uh

1257
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,760
make another one of the mics uh it's the

1258
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,280
same sort of conversation around

1259
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,680
compelling footage um

1260
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,520
mike wants to know why do we think he

1261
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,520
low responded in this way was it because

1262
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,000
a he couldn't def definitively describe

1263
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:46,640
uap occupants due to low quality

1264
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,839
evidence b relied too much on others

1265
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,359
hearsay and couldn't back up those

1266
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,760
stories with his own personal experience

1267
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,680
so he's getting as low hearing it from

1268
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,440
other people that he can't quite say he

1269
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,160
was a hundred percent uh c lacked the

1270
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,960
freedom to speak due to nda's or d

1271
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,720
didn't want to hurt his credibility by

1272
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,640
saying he saw seven foot tall a praying

1273
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,680
mantis

1274
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,240
and lizard piloting a metal disc etc

1275
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,560
which which are all fair kind of points

1276
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,560
what would you lean towards more of

1277
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,079
those than

1278
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,720
i i'd probably go with that loose nda is

1279
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,640
preventing him from showing up the hard

1280
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,720
data which would be classified data

1281
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,520
anyway plus if he tells us there are

1282
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,520
photos of bodies we're not talking about

1283
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,160
anything else forever then um you know

1284
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,240
we lose spoken about the five pillars

1285
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,440
and how each of them need to go at the

1286
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,520
same speed the social media one can't

1287
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,440
fire ahead it'll all topple over and

1288
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,599
it'll go badly if that conversation is

1289
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:42,000
to be had it's ahead of us

1290
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,599
i think there's also the idea that say

1291
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,599
for example it was a piece of footage of

1292
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,800
a craft let's say as the the turkey ufo

1293
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:50,319
or something like the turkey footage

1294
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,280
okay

1295
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,240
and there is what appears to be beings

1296
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,480
inside of a pretty clear video

1297
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,680
but

1298
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,040
maybe again

1299
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,200
because of where it was taken or the

1300
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,720
sensors it's taken with and i know

1301
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,920
people don't like hearing that or

1302
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,599
military sensors or military-grade

1303
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,839
equipment but we're not allowed to see

1304
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,319
that so the corroborating data wouldn't

1305
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,000
be there to back it up and it would just

1306
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,000
be another piece of footage for people

1307
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,480
to say oh well that could be anything

1308
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,800
you know what for all we know it could

1309
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,480
literally be talking about the turkey

1310
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,720
ufo and maybe

1311
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,359
they had loads of american aircraft and

1312
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,359
sensors picking that up

1313
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,040
but should they have been filming

1314
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:31,040
anything like that over turkish waters

1315
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,240
that would be something i'm sure the

1316
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,400
american military would be like uh we

1317
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,400
can't say we were there we can't admit

1318
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,119
to that yeah exactly um that that rubber

1319
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,200
duck uap video that came out i still

1320
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,760
have for that name um the drone

1321
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:45,599
yeah the drone uh it still looks like

1322
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,079
zero to me and you know that's about

1323
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,960
it's worth um that that was

1324
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,800
the the locations of that were hidden

1325
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,880
from us and

1326
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,640
we we know it was tucson which is near

1327
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,040
the border and i wonder if maybe someone

1328
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,640
straight over a bit of border that they

1329
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,000
weren't meant to and that that's why

1330
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,839
that has to be hidden i'm not sure but

1331
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,760
that would be an example of something

1332
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,599
that would mean it would be classified

1333
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,440
or something like that you know yeah

1334
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,640
absolutely here's one from left field

1335
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,960
for you still from mike at the same mic

1336
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,000
this time

1337
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,480
do you think it's a red flag that people

1338
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,560
like linda moulton how haven't

1339
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,359
interviewed louis elizondo yet is he to

1340
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,280
or is he just too busy to sit down with

1341
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,880
everyone on the ufology list

1342
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,960
beta column a beta column b i think

1343
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,240
maybe

1344
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,920
i think that's a really fair question i

1345
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,560
mean linda's a huge name in the subject

1346
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,079
literally i mean it's linda moulton how

1347
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,160
it's a big name but she's also

1348
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,480
interviewed a lot of people um

1349
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,720
many of them very credible many of them

1350
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,440
completely anonymous sources with no

1351
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:49,280
verifiable background

1352
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,240
at all

1353
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,480
some of them are literally her reading a

1354
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,240
monologue from a piece of paper telling

1355
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,880
you it's from a verifiable source so

1356
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,960
that there is a lot of can agree area

1357
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,040
with with what linda talks about but

1358
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:03,119
given the subjects discussed

1359
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,880
you can understand why um we we know she

1360
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,560
she spoke to

1361
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,359
tom and we know that she sold him the

1362
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,839
material to get tested

1363
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,520
so there's a relationship there but

1364
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,040
whether lou has spoken to her you know

1365
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,400
what that relationship is like behind

1366
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,240
the scenes i don't know

1367
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,520
but

1368
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,760
all i'll say is that when ttsa said they

1369
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,079
were going into entertainment

1370
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,680
as a focus

1371
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,319
they they lost those people and i think

1372
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,480
that there's a reason for that you know

1373
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,559
we we don't really want to be mixing

1374
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,240
anything that potentially is just

1375
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,319
entertainment because linda mountain

1376
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,079
house speaks about i remember spartan

1377
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,000
one and two and those stories

1378
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,000
sound awfully familiar to people like

1379
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:46,160
corey good and things like that so we

1380
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,359
don't want to be mixing all those in

1381
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,200
together and i can understand if there's

1382
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,480
if there's some distance but a

1383
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:52,400
friendliness behind the scenes

1384
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,319
yeah sure um good point dan uh walker uh

1385
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,839
again brings up but has a slightly

1386
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,839
different take on the comments the

1387
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,520
amount of breadcrumbs that lou dropped

1388
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,359
would put hansel and gretel to shame i

1389
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:06,240
like that the evidence in dna was big

1390
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,160
also simon says the 70k or 70 000 year

1391
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,720
dna leg up was very interesting

1392
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,520
um i wonder if the nasa director's

1393
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,480
recent comments bill nelson who are we

1394
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,880
how did we get here how did we become as

1395
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,280
we are are related that's quite a nice

1396
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,520
little pick up from from walker

1397
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,359
yeah um i i mean that comment was

1398
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,440
stellar it came within only a day or two

1399
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,000
of lou talking about it as well um

1400
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,520
and you know

1401
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,599
more paranoid folk would think it was

1402
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,960
organized

1403
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,880
i i just think that you know we get into

1404
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,240
that place in the conversation so

1405
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,160
coincidentally people are feeling a bit

1406
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,440
more comfortable opening up about

1407
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,640
certain things

1408
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,559
um it's super intriguing there's a great

1409
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,400
documentary called fireball

1410
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,160
that is about how we view meteos and

1411
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,680
things like that and how the story

1412
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,119
changes as it's passed down through the

1413
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,240
ages and it just goes to show that

1414
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,319
if if say for example i'm just kind of

1415
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,599
grabbing one of the stories that are out

1416
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,000
there that we came from mars and there

1417
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,000
was a big nuclear explosion on mars and

1418
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,079
a bunch of us left and went on to earth

1419
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,680
and kind of developed on earth there's

1420
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,119
been enough time that we would have just

1421
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,200
forgotten that the the symbols that we

1422
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,720
see carved into the rock you know we

1423
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,160
wouldn't look at mars in a spaceship we

1424
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:15,920
call people that say they see spaceships

1425
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,960
in egypt how you graphics crazy um

1426
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,800
so you know it could be drawn on a wall

1427
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,960
somewhere and we we shrug and probably

1428
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,960
think it's a hoax or something like that

1429
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,200
um but yeah there's enough time that

1430
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,800
that story would have faded and it would

1431
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,599
become a kind of mythic symbol

1432
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,079
in our mythology and those stories do

1433
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,400
exist we have the flood stories where if

1434
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,000
you go look into those books i mentioned

1435
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,240
like the nakamadi texts you'll see

1436
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,160
stories that have similarities to other

1437
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,000
religions around the world so you start

1438
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,680
suspecting hey did something happen and

1439
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,359
a bunch of people just interpret it in a

1440
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,400
diff in a bunch of different ways um and

1441
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,760
yeah yeah

1442
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,079
sorry i kind of ranted there but no no i

1443
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,640
liked it it was fair and yeah

1444
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,640
i think it's really easy to go full

1445
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,720
conspiracy territory when

1446
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,119
lou comes out and says what he says and

1447
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,200
then like you say a couple days later a

1448
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:06,720
guy who seems to have a big interest in

1449
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:09,599
ufos and very open-minded bill nelson

1450
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,400
comes out and very deliberately uses the

1451
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,480
phrase because he has that

1452
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,079
i think it's southern drawl as people

1453
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,960
would describe it you know who are we

1454
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,280
how did we get here um

1455
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,599
i went to the voice how did we become as

1456
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,839
we are and it's really interesting time

1457
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:27,359
and even if they aren't related this is

1458
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,480
someone who

1459
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:30,960
i would bet a decent amount of money

1460
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,079
that bill nelson and lou have had chats

1461
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,680
um given he said he's been briefed on

1462
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,119
the subject over the last couple of

1463
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,200
years then you would hope lou has been

1464
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,359
involved in those at some point um if

1465
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,000
not indirectly potentially

1466
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,520
it wouldn't surprise me dear of davis

1467
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,680
had briefed nelson either um you know

1468
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,680
that's the level that nelson was at in

1469
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:51,040
the past he was on the um services

1470
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,400
committee it would make sense for him to

1471
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,800
have had that i i wonder if from the

1472
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:56,559
house's point of view because nasa this

1473
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,680
week put out a call basically saying um

1474
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,000
that when they announce

1475
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,000
life in the solar system or you know in

1476
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,680
the universe other than us

1477
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,440
it's obviously going to be a real hard

1478
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,119
conversation we saw that with the the

1479
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,640
venus announcement a lot of people

1480
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:13,119
celebrated i was one of them and then

1481
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,319
we kind of had to pull back of it and

1482
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,680
kind of go oh yeah i kind of see that

1483
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,359
i've called that too soon but it proves

1484
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,720
the point that we need to come up with

1485
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:20,319
some standards that need to be met so we

1486
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:21,599
can have this conversation when it

1487
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:22,559
happens

1488
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:23,359
and

1489
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,480
because now

1490
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,520
let me see

1491
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,760
is an easy way to is a good way to test

1492
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,240
the water though isn't it let's put an

1493
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:32,079
announcement that might be something

1494
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,200
like life

1495
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:35,440
that's not going to turn out that way

1496
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,559
but

1497
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,240
let's just see how people react let's

1498
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,480
see how the scientific communities react

1499
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,000
and how the

1500
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,680
you know the scientists or the

1501
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,960
scientists are part of the scientific

1502
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,119
community aren't they you know

1503
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,599
the mainstream media how politicians how

1504
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,599
general population react and you know

1505
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,400
what

1506
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,359
it was fine yeah it was um and you know

1507
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,880
you don't even need any kind of

1508
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,480
intentional maliciousness to do

1509
00:52:02,710 --> 00:51:59,920
something like that scientists were

1510
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,720
gonna do that anyway and you know i can

1511
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,559
guarantee that if there's someone sat in

1512
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,119
a dark room trying to figure out if it's

1513
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,800
if they can now tell humanity that we're

1514
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,359
not alone in a in a calm manner they

1515
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,359
took some kind of umbrage from that and

1516
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,280
encouragement um

1517
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,119
but nasa spends a lot of time looking at

1518
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,200
microbes so i wonder if bill nelson was

1519
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,440
maybe thinking about okay if we were

1520
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,280
developing in the swamps

1521
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,040
then an asteroid hit and there were some

1522
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,800
microbes on the asteroid that affected

1523
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,040
our evolution

1524
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,119
in in a way you could that you know i

1525
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,720
could change that sentence to aliens

1526
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,960
affected our evolution so it kind of

1527
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,480
fits

1528
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,200
cool um two more uh michael who is the

1529
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,640
same michael who got in touch earlier

1530
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:42,079
with another question but i moved it

1531
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,440
just because of what we were talking

1532
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,839
about at the time um he mentions again

1533
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:47,359
dan what we talked about a little bit

1534
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,559
earlier but um he thinks lou had alluded

1535
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,119
to an archaeological find on the moon

1536
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,960
and that's worth further questioning i

1537
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,800
think lou had talked about various

1538
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,520
potential archaeological finds bob lazar

1539
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,440
in the past talked about archaeological

1540
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,680
discoveries emma writing saying that in

1541
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,000
the secret machines books then that i

1542
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,680
still haven't read slash listen to an

1543
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,400
audiobook that are archaeologically

1544
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,240
fines yeah i would rather they came

1545
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,760
along to help me out i think they'd be

1546
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,839
great movies as well you just basically

1547
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,160
imagine uh the da vinci code but with

1548
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,040
ufo laura instead nice it would be fun

1549
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,079
so sorry what was the question

1550
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,800
um dogs or cats no it was um

1551
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,400
archaeological find on the moon and i

1552
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:30,000
think i was just mentioning that i think

1553
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,280
secret machines talk about

1554
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,839
archaeological discoveries of the craft

1555
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,520
as well yeah so yeah there's a thing

1556
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,000
that's gone through different aspects um

1557
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,000
with kind of instructions on for

1558
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,000
telepathic interaction between humans

1559
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,440
and people that touch them seem to kind

1560
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:46,160
of have those powers bumped up um the

1561
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,200
tablets were spoken about was

1562
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:49,200
radioactive as well which was you know

1563
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,319
it's interesting

1564
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,599
whether that's one of the true

1565
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:53,119
breadcrumbs that are in the books who

1566
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,480
knows

1567
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,400
yeah not a really good point do you

1568
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,960
think dan if we go up to the moon and if

1569
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,440
we done a proper

1570
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,599
independent say elon musk who obviously

1571
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,599
doesn't care about governments all that

1572
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,960
kind of stuff the guy's richer than all

1573
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,040
the governments put together now um if

1574
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,760
he went up with a live gopro on his head

1575
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:14,000
other camera companies are available and

1576
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:15,920
he went to the dark side of the moon

1577
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,640
beautiful 4k filming and flew about do

1578
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,640
you think he's going to see anything or

1579
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,640
film anything interesting

1580
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,480
i think so there are some structures on

1581
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,160
the moon that there's some investigation

1582
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,079
there's one that kind of seems to be

1583
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,000
tall and thin and cast a very long

1584
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,839
shadow that's the moon monolith that

1585
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,680
people talk about um

1586
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,880
you know even if it's a natural

1587
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,119
formation that's wicked cool and there's

1588
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,280
only one of them on the moon it seems so

1589
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,760
it'd be cool to look at um

1590
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,200
some people

1591
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,760
on youtube um uncharted x and bright

1592
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,079
insight recently went to egypt and with

1593
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,319
the new smartphones they were able to

1594
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:52,000
use the lidar scanners on apps to

1595
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,200
actually make

1596
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,520
3d scans of all of the objects and stuff

1597
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,599
like that there and and it means for the

1598
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,680
first time they've been able to show

1599
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,520
properly what people mean when they say

1600
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,040
the blocks on the pyramid are so tight

1601
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,480
that you can't fit a sheet of paper in

1602
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,480
between them you know they're almost

1603
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,160
invisible and you haven't really been

1604
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,079
able to capture that data up until now

1605
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:11,280
so the fact that you can do that with a

1606
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,480
smartphone

1607
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,880
all we need is for space tourism to kick

1608
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,799
off and this kind of stuff is going to

1609
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,400
start um

1610
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,799
a lot of i think what was the company

1611
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:21,920
called

1612
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,359
i want to say hawkeye 360. it might be

1613
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,119
wrong though bob mcguire is involved

1614
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,040
with the company and basically the idea

1615
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,640
is to lidar scan the whole planet um to

1616
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,480
get some really intricate ideas of the

1617
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,720
geometry of earth and this is how we're

1618
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,160
finding you know they found an

1619
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,760
eight-mile wall in the amazon that had

1620
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:41,119
drawings all over it and it was right in

1621
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,400
front of us for all these years and we

1622
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,760
just didn't see it until we started

1623
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,160
doing this um so it makes you think what

1624
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,079
else we're gonna find and with space

1625
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,160
tourism becoming more accessible

1626
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,760
we probably are going to see people

1627
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,119
start putting satellites around the moon

1628
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,760
to scan that thing and just see in depth

1629
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,599
you know it's going to be like do you

1630
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,520
remember we had that picture of pluto

1631
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,440
where we saw it had kind of a heart on

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00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,480
the side

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00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,240
i literally had to go have my tattoo

1634
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,000
updated on my back when when that came

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00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:07,920
out because it looks so different to

1636
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,680
what we had for you know 34 years prior

1637
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,799
we stand

1638
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,400
we're on the cusp of doing that with

1639
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:16,319
just the moon and space in general i

1640
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,200
think

1641
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,880
would be some kind of black triangular

1642
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,799
craft personally but yeah that's just

1643
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,880
from uh

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00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,880
there's a very cool video of um a

1645
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,319
company that actually does it and they

1646
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,640
send drones out to scan and the person

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00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:31,760
has been stood on a beach when the

1648
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,240
drone's flying over them and it's kind

1649
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,760
of scanning with these green layers

1650
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,280
lasers and i'm telling you if you didn't

1651
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,559
know these things existed and were

1652
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,240
drones you would report that as a

1653
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,000
genuine ufo

1654
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,799
amazing dan the last one is from tara

1655
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,640
tara's been a long time supporter of the

1656
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,240
podcast she goes out cycling while she

1657
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:50,799
listens to it um so hi to her very cool

1658
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,960
and it's not so much of a question but a

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00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,319
statement and i thought it'd be a nice

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00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,240
way to kind of round it off

1661
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,760
tara mentioned

1662
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,760
it was a beg statement but i've narrowed

1663
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,359
it down to just the last part she was

1664
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,599
talking about you know the outsiders who

1665
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,040
should be involved in the subject and

1666
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,359
she mentions neil degrasse tyson and she

1667
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,520
says i think he's smart as hell although

1668
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,440
a little reluctant to jump on the alien

1669
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:13,680
bandwagon he of all people should be

1670
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,079
privy to what's going on i think if he

1671
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,920
was in the loop he'd be taking a much

1672
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:20,160
different stance on the subject

1673
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,680
i'm just blown away because i think

1674
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,599
loyola zondo just let us all know the

1675
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,680
somber truth we are not natural we

1676
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,280
didn't mysteriously evolve into the most

1677
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,839
complicated species on the planet and

1678
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,599
something's watching us something is

1679
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,839
here he was telling us there is way more

1680
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:36,000
to this than a silver disc in the sky

1681
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,440
way more than someone from another

1682
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,760
planet might be visiting us way more to

1683
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,319
everything i could go on other areas we

1684
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,559
are compelling to what your thoughts on

1685
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,680
that then

1686
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,440
it plugs right in with the one thing

1687
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,160
that i had left i wanted to talk about

1688
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,880
awesome asked lou potentially have they

1689
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,040
been biological samples recovered from

1690
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,280
craft

1691
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,880
then it follows up with let's rephrase

1692
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,559
that question have there been

1693
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,880
potentially biological samples received

1694
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,720
recovered and this is lou and he says

1695
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,119
yes i'm not going to expand anymore so

1696
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,280
kurt says right okay let's forget about

1697
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,400
the craft

1698
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,640
and lou says i'm being careful when i

1699
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,640
say that i'm being purposely very open

1700
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,160
and vague at the same time what does

1701
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,119
that mean it means what it means to me

1702
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,839
i keep thinking of humans the human body

1703
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,160
itself is the secret machine

1704
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,240
as some kind of thing constructed by

1705
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,480
some force or by whether that's life

1706
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,480
whether it's the evolutionary process

1707
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,400
that was compelled to create as one of

1708
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,440
the two

1709
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,440
so i'm starting to wonder if these

1710
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,440
things are so far advanced that what we

1711
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,440
think of as computers and what we think

1712
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,359
of as biology aren't just one and the

1713
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,720
same

1714
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,400
yeah and i think we talked about this at

1715
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,400
the weekend in london about

1716
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,079
and what are the worlds the the tv

1717
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,440
series it's on disney plus that the

1718
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,599
the robot dogs they send down when they

1719
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,040
open them up they've got like living

1720
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,720
tissue inside of them as well so they

1721
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,520
are biological but from the outside they

1722
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:01,680
look like machines they fire they fire

1723
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,640
guns

1724
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,559
but it's like living tissue inside of it

1725
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,760
as well so

1726
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,680
pretty pretty samba to realize right if

1727
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,799
that's the

1728
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:10,720
case

1729
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:13,760
yeah but for me just personally

1730
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,280
really exciting as well and this podcast

1731
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,200
when that day comes doesn't stop because

1732
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,720
we've got an answer because i think at

1733
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,480
that point is when i'm going to have a

1734
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:24,079
whole lot more questions as well to be

1735
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,599
honest yeah and a lot more guests to

1736
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,440
interview as well

1737
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:30,240
hopefully from other planets too um dan

1738
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,440
thank you very much for your time we've

1739
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,280
gone almost ever so thank you very much

1740
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:35,599
we have yeah this is great thank you and

1741
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,240
thank you for for the weekend as well it

1742
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,839
was uh fantastic

1743
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,400
you make it sound so romantic um and

1744
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,720
thanks to thanks to fedex and dave for

1745
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,280
that too um this week folks uh our

1746
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,040
interview with graham rendell is out on

1747
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,960
the foo fighters of world war ii make

1748
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,400
sure you check that one out it was

1749
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,880
excellent the kgra shows are available

1750
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,440
of course over at kg r a youtube or

1751
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,280
facebook but also they are being

1752
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,359
uploaded as a back catalogue a few weeks

1753
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,000
after on our own channels too if you've

1754
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,760
not signed up to the youtube channel yet

1755
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:07,440
please check that one out subscribe to

1756
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,960
it we're almost at four and a half

1757
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,040
thousand subscribers on there too so

1758
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,640
what i'm trying to get is

1759
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,720
dan's doing a great job of uploading the

1760
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,480
older content onto there as well for

1761
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,319
people who are just youtubers and we

1762
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:21,920
know people like that and they like to

1763
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,559
stick to their so thank you very much in

1764
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,160
the coming weeks we've got christopher

1765
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,079
plane in the next day or so from the

1766
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,000
debrief he just had a very interesting

1767
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:31,920
appearance on unidentified celebrity

1768
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,720
review he's coming onto the podcast i

1769
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,400
have you'll hear this for the first time

1770
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,440
right now john ramirez who was on with

1771
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,520
sean rash is going to be on

1772
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,280
mid november i've just confirmed the

1773
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,680
date with him this morning as we speak

1774
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,760
and he is on project unity's channel

1775
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,359
going through a recent presentation he

1776
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:51,440
done and then off the back of that i

1777
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,559
think we are going to be the next

1778
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,400
interview which will be really really

1779
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,040
interesting too on top of that plenty

1780
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,480
more to come this month the listener

1781
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:00,640
call-in slots are open right now for

1782
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:03,040
patreons and apple premium subscribers

1783
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,640
and then in the next day or so i'll open

1784
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,480
them up to everyone else as well they're

1785
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,920
going to be getting recorded later this

1786
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:10,400
week friday saturday sunday

1787
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,799
i i have a friend who has a friend in

1788
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,720
malaysia who is going to call him with

1789
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:17,040
some malaysian ufo lauren questions for

1790
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,319
us which i think is cool because we

1791
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,079
haven't heard from malaysia much so uh

1792
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,400
so i look forward he's a fellow dan so i

1793
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,599
look forward to having him on for a

1794
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,960
call-in

1795
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,559
that'll make it nice and easy but again

1796
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,559
as always folks one last thing i will

1797
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,520
ask if you are on any podcast platform

1798
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,079
particularly apple please do take two

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01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:36,079
seconds to leave as a five-star review

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01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,839
because it makes a massive difference to

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01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,680
the algorithm of the podcast it gets up

1802
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,839
the apple charts and keeps the podcast

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01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,440
out there for other people to find as

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01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,200
well and if you do leave that five star

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01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,119
review if you can take another 30

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01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:49,119
seconds and leave us a comment someone

1807
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,829
dr but yeah

1808
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,119
yeah

1809
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,680
thank you to everyone who's listened and

1810
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,599
we'll speak to you soon

1811
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:03,680
that is all for this week's show thank

1812
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,599
you very much for listening please

1813
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,839
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01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,160
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1824
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:34,160
folks as always keep looking up you

1825
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:36,810
never know what you might see

1826
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:03,140
is

1827
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:19,890
[Music]

1828
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:38,230
jump back

1829
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:39,510
they thought this was noise they thought

1830
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,470
[Music]

1831
01:04:03,029 --> 01:03:56,720
if you really want to know who i think

1832
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:07,530
me

1833
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:12,069
[Music]

1834
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:36,540
is

1835
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,480
[Music]

1836
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:44,400
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1837
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:05,029
[Music]

1838
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:07,140
thanks

1839
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:10,400
[Music]

1840
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:36,090
thank you